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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Aug 25, 2006 2:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: how bout that boycott?

Are people still hittin where it hurts?(the wallet) or is the protest and boycott over now?

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Poster: Cliff Hucker Date: Aug 25, 2006 5:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

That has provided us all with so much musical pleasure!

I cannot believe you selfish assholes are still crying about downloading soundboards we rightfully should be paying for.

Keep on miss-labeling the boards as audience recordings, keep on instructing visitors to this site how to download stream only shows, see how long we will have access to this amazing library!

Most of us are quite content to stream this music, PLEASE DONT RUIN IT FOR US!

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Aug 25, 2006 5:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

Good day sir!
I am not enciting a riot....I was asking if people were now over the whole thing....So Slow Down and smell the skull and roses please! We (the seemingly usual group of posters) had a thread a short time ago discussing how we werent mad any more. More so just bummed out by one of our fav guys tossing us under the bus. I think most of us know our place and that we are extremely grateful for what we had...what we now have... and yes we are always hopeful for another slice of great music from any band ...even from Mr Weir and co. I will support the band...as soon as they get up and tour...and in the mean time... hell I might just break out my tee shirt from high gate and give it a little sunshine!
also...please understand that from me...you may get abstract sarcasm...99.9% of the time!

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Aug 25, 2006 6:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

also...I am not a selfish asshole... and though there may be some hacks here offering advice on shanking sbds and mis labeling things...I am not one of them...and to the best of my knowledge neither is Mr Direwolf. So again slow down with your bad self! I do not condone their actions any more than I do Clinton selling our secrets to China or Bush not working harder to get some oil out of our own land. Have a nice day!

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 26, 2006 12:24am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

Cliff??....you sound amazingly like the Cliff from "Cheers"

.........go drop your a-bombs in one of the many low-life forums out there!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 25, 2006 6:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

Mr. Hucker

I don't believe many of "us" are still crying about the downloads. Not sure where you get that insightful thought from. I have over 300gb of live dead from this site and can't even get the time to unzip them all, never mind listen to them. That doesn't even count the commercial releases and gdlive downloads. yes, i am a whore.
And like Mr. Deadbuck mentioned, there are very few of "us" , if any, who are capturing the streams to burn to cd. I couldn't be bothered, and am too computer stupid to even try. I cant imagine any of "us" wanting to corrupt what is still left on the LMA.
Deadbuck is right on by mentioning that some of "us" are not thrilled by a certain person "throwing us under the bus." Weir did, and although i agree with his capitalistic principles, that does not mean I, nor anyone, has to go to his shows. I still think he is a great musician. He is by no means the first, nor certainly the last, to take that approach. Just a bad comment - that is all.
i would suggest that you get off the asses of the regular posters of this site. You have barely been here and have not clue as to what is going on in the thoughprocesses of us "regulars." Dont mean to sound elitist, but read our posts before you go off on us. Because i didn't go to one particular ratdog show you want to sound off on me???? Sorry to say it, but you are clueless. (mods can delete that comment if needed).

However, - lol - Mr Deadbuck - the oil in our midwest and west are stuck in shale rock - very very expensive to get out. i do agree though, if we spent as much money as on the war - the cost of extracting the shale oil and technology to do so would have been far less. sorry - lol - one of my best friend is a petroleum engineer working in houston fo0r americam- think he would agree with you though - lol. plus, why use ours when we can take theirs :)

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 25, 2006 7:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

Fellow DW and anyone else willing...

...I'M NEARING RETITEMENT(FROM TEACHING)AND I DON'T F-ING FISH OR GOLF!

JUST WANT TO GET A GD COLLECTION TOGETHER, ENJOY THE GROOVES AND WILL PASS ALONG ANYTHING I RECEIVE (FREE OF COURSE) TO THE NEXT GENERATION!!!

I WILL PROVIDE ALL HARDWARE NECESSARY

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Poster: Cranky1 Date: Aug 27, 2006 5:32am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I'm in my fourth year retired from teaching in NYC (34 years). First thing I did was get deeply into the Dead. Very soothing. I do fish, though...forgive me.

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 27, 2006 12:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

CR 1-

Don't get me wrong- fisin and golf just seem to be what most guys do during retirement which is cool if you're into it. Me, I like to listen to GD and related bands and ride a mountain bike.........that's it. My problem is I BOUGHT my mountain bike but I came on the cyber scene late (a few months ago) and I'm trying to catch up!

DW0701 -

Thanks for the kudos for working with spec.ed. I do love it but it's tough at times since I work with many sick kids and their furures are so uncertain - lost several in my 20+ years in the game. Also, FYI there's nothing wrong with being a businessman. You're in the good ole USA for cryin outloud. You contribute to the tax base that makes public schools run and my job possible - bottom line!

Also read another post were you describe yourself as a live GD "whore"! Well I'm right there with you, eventually I want it ALL! But I'm starting way late now and have little to offer. Still if you're willing to share and work something out, please e-mail me at: kimbato50@earthlink.net

The ground is a rumblin...could be distant rhinos on the loose!


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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 25, 2006 8:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I saw George W. walkin' with an oil rig in his hands
Doin' the werewolves of London"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 25, 2006 8:41pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

retiring from teaching??? what did you teach?? ive got a phd in english lit from URI - just curious - kudos to you for being a teacher for our kids

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 26, 2006 12:28am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

A fellow DW and teacher - what are the chances? No phd here though. I teach adapted phys. ed. for students with disabilities (22 yrs. now!) Best job in the world. Oh,.......except for Dick L.'s gig

You a college prof.?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 27, 2006 8:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

hey 57 :) - no, not a college prof. just got my phd for pure self-fulfillment and enjoyment. i own two businessess instead :( gettin kinda sick of it too.
kudos to you for what your chosen profession is - i more than admire your calling (makes me feel like a capitalistic whore). yours must be a very very rewarding profession and it must take a pretty special person to be able to do that with compassion, dedication, and joy. you have my utmost respect.

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Poster: Earl B. Powell Date: Aug 28, 2006 4:14pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I got a lotta BS and a (PHD) Piled High and Deep...kiddin. Maybe not.


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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 28, 2006 7:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

believe me - mine is pure Bullshit Shit, Piled High & Deep - didn't mean to sound elitist by any means - apologies all around if i did - i literally just did it for fun, never wanted to teach - very luckily had the financial wherewithall to do it at the time - so i couldn't pass it up (mixed in with a boatload of skiing)

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 25, 2006 9:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I've got just a little BA in English from the University of Toronto. Now I'm an actor. Go figure. But I dream of goin' back and doing a Masters or PHD in 18th century LIT. That stuff really spoke to me.

Or 20th. I'm not proud.

Or tired.

Dire57. I want to help you. Let me know what kind of discs you're looking for (as in---I like 1972) and I will burn and send you a few. But I require patience. I do not have a burner but I do have easy acces to one but these things take time. I do not have a list. I have stuff from all eras and most of it is just fine. I have little from the 90's tho'. People just don't send you that stuff unless you ask and are trading and I haven't traded since around '97. But people still lay stuff on me. And some of it is damn good. Tell me what you have or want. And, get yo' hands outta yo' pockets and send me an address via this site and I'll contact you directly (much more quickly than the actual discs but they will come too).

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 26, 2006 12:34am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?


STC - Many thanks for your kind reply!

You can reach me at: kimbato50@earthlink.net...if you'll send me your e-mail we can take it from there!

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Poster: unclejohnnyd Date: Aug 25, 2006 9:58pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I haven't allways figured out which post to reply to when adding something to a thread.

1) I don't for the life of me see how Bob threw anyone under the bus. The way I interpret it is if people have the nerve to protest him because they think the have the right to something that belongs to him ( and the others too of course ) be given to them for free - then " see ya" more power to you. I wouldn't apologize either.

2) Deadbuck - weren't you the one complaining about people gettin all political? I live in Alaska - you know the only viable State with oil - and I think you don't know what you're talking about. Where the HELL has all the U.S. oil been going all these years? BP= BRITISH petroleum doesn't it? You don't think the Bush family and cronies have been making bank on selling this Country out for years? Look who they have and still do business with. Meanwhile the true way we could have avoided this mess is to have listened to all those tree huggers 30 years ago. We could be a long way towards not even needing the messy stuff anymore. You know - how about a little American ingeniuty and technology instead of the status quo? Of course greed doesn't have very much forsight does it?

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Aug 28, 2006 10:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I am not sure if you understand what I say....I am mocking more so than complaining...and all of the politickers tend to be butheads...I live in a family of them myself. I am sure that with all the oil and money around the world...we with out either...are getting porked...Greed often is absent of forsight....I worked my but off to get to a few shows and loved every minute of it. The band (opinion) should have stopped the sbds long ago if they were concerned about them getting out over the net. Like I said..I am thankful for what we were able to get when we could...and that we can still get some now...(not just the dead either)! I from there am still bummed to hear an idol say F O in so many words to his fans..the people who did feed him...I also do feel that part of it was poor communication between the fans and the man. We count(ed) on him for our musical meals and he was looking for a living himself...coexistence of sorts? I suppose... Whatever...I am ready to help support as I eluded to earlier.... I guess in some sense then I would remove myself from the notion of boycott... However I will be keepin in mind that some people arent as kind as they could be..even maybe when they are on capitol hill to support the environment and such... I hope for that ingenuity and technology too...to help our country in the long haul...just not sure when it is going to flower!

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Poster: DEADBUCK Date: Aug 25, 2006 6:57pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

I do know it will be great to have our own once we use all theirs! Lets burn! LMAO!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 25, 2006 7:51pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

you know it man!! that's what im talking about :)

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 25, 2006 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

"I saw George W. walkin' with an oil rig in his hands
Doin' the werewolves of London"

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 25, 2006 8:45pm
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a little old middle easterner got mutilated late last night -his hair was perfect

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 25, 2006 8:53pm
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Werewolves o' London agin'!

What you doing up? I gotta tell you about my favourite t-shirt of Other Ones tour '98 (or 2000 I can't remember). They were either green or earth tone and had in, what some might call Biblical script the words "Dire Wolf" in big yellow letters on the front. On the back in smaller letters was written "Friends don't let friends do Phish shows". I laughed my ass off. And I kinda like Phish! Wished I's bought it but there was too much microbrew to be had and later I bought the Furtherfest tie-dye instead. Mistake.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 25, 2006 9:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout supporting the band?

lmao - i saw that shirt too at the boston shows - way too funny - like you, i regret not picking one of those up - i think they were selling them outside the venue (if my addled mind recalls correctly)

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 26, 2006 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

I still honor the boycott. Before Thanksgiving of last year, I was a heavy consumer of GD related cds/dvds/products etc, as well as attending Phil Shows. Since then I have not purchased any merchandise or attended any shows.

While I agree that I am not owed anything by the GD machine or the surviving members of the band, I also don't believe that I owe them my support or anything else for that matter.

The experience, to me anyway, was always somewhat of a 2-way street. One of the reasons I was intially attracted to the scene was the freedom that the band represented, and a big part of that was the free exchange of the music. The availability of shows, including Sbds, was a huge factor in keeping me interested and in keeping me as a huge consumer of everything GD related. I was willing to pay, through the purchase of other products, for the free unfetterred access that I enjoyed. I have many more GD caps, shirts, shorts, stickers, dvds, cds, books, dayplanners, posters, tapestries, buttons, magnets, mugs, guitar picks and any number of other related items than I would have ever purchased otherwise.

As any consumer of any product, my only leverage is my buying power. Over the years I have spent thousands of $$ on the GD, in part because they allowed me access to the shows, including Sbds. If Bobby is really having trouble affording college for his kids ( by the way, welcome to the club, Bobby ) then he and his partners need to come up with a better business plan.

I don't see this as whining, I see this as good old American capitalism. Any corporation that takes it's consumer base for granted is bound to fall, and the GDM is no exception.

This post was modified by Purple Gel on 2006-08-26 15:40:58

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Poster: dr. flashback Date: Aug 27, 2006 4:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

Howdy Purple Gel. Got any?? Heh, heh, little joke. Those were the daze. But since I highly respect both the opinions of you and Direwolf, I had to come out of lurking to chip in on this.
I don't fit into any neat catagories on this issue, and it's people like me whom GDP and the RIAA can't understand.
I'm a pirate, and I'm proud of it. To me, the old paradigm about copyright is over, at least in the context of certain media. This is the 21st Century, and the Information Age is well under way. Hello?? I'm sitting here with close to 200 CD's that I've pirated online. Many are new remasters that I have a hard time finding legally - either the Best Buy never has it, or neither my BMG record club. But I want them, and I'm gonna get them, legally or otherwise. And of course I continue to DL and Torrent Dead SBD's.
But - I also believe in supporting the artists. But the issue depends on what kind of artist - a Nashville singer-songwriter putting out their first CD - I would have ethical qualms about pirating their music. They need the money. Then a multi-millionaire rock star like Floyd - that's a different story, ethically, financially and practically. I've bought every single Floyd album, then tape, then CD. Do I have right to DL their bootleg 30 year old shows? I believe I do.
I also recently broke my boycott and bought DP's #30 from GDP, because I was worried what the Rhino takeover might mean. And I'm glad I did. My hard feelings are over, I'm too busy getting music. And I will continue to support GDP if they give us the product (Rhino) that we want.
But I will also continue to DL Dead bootlegs and copy them for my friends. This is the arrangement that has worked for the Dead and the community for over 30 years. The reason it stopped working IS NOT THE FAN'S FAULT, rather it was bad business management on the part of GDP. I refuse to be the bad guy (all of us) because we've been sharing shows. It's their problem, and unfortunately, the fix wasn't what we wanted.
There is another, bigger issue here as to why I am a pirate, collector and archiver - bigger than just getting and having music for myself. Who knows what the next 10 years, 20 years will bring to this country? Economic collapse? No more oil, or so expensive that the trucks can't deliver? What I'm saying is that there may come a time when running down to the record store, or ordering with your credit card may no longer be possible. Infrastructure may break down. Can you say California??
People with huge collections of video and music (like LAMA) may become the librarians of the future. I don't know about bomb shelters and storing water. But I do know that in the Information Age, when crisis comes, it'll be the people with a lot of data and information that will have the tools to network and form new communities (software, tech knowledge, digitally stored books and perhaps not so insignificant - media and entertainment).
I learned my stuff from the big boys - Huxley, Buckminster Fuller, Gary Snyder and Leary. They were all futurists and so I am too. All of us need to pull our heads out of the sand and look at what's happening to our economy, our culture and our information media rights. Scary but also some very exciting things too.
They can argue the copyright issue till Jerry comes back from the Dead (sorry) but there's one sure thing about pirating - they can't stop it, it's getting more out of hand every day. It's like the eternal Tao - bigger than you, so join the 21st Century and go with the flow people. On a higher metaphysical level, there is reason the internet and all this media sharing happened. I can't fathom it yet, but I believe it's all good in the greater scheme. I'm sorry some artists may have been hurt in the process, and none of us want that, we just want our music. But it's all culminating in some grander Information future that I believe will benefit all of us culturally. Case in point - the famous KSAN reels from 66-70 San Francisco shows. If those hadn't been bootlegged - who but a handful of people who even know about them? Do I think both we and future generations will benefit from those being illegally shared? You bet. It's a piece of our cultural history, it was on the radio for God's sake and it BELONGS TO US. What f***ing good does it do for reels of shows like that to sit rotting in a vault until we're all six feet under??
Yes I'm a pirate and proud of it. And I also support local artists. There. I feel better, now where's Mr. Bubbly?
cheers,
Dr. Flashback :-)

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Poster: Olo Date: Aug 27, 2006 7:02am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

Being a pirate is fine but being a pirate who bitches and moans when other boats at sea don't like what you're doing and try to slow you down..well, that's just really, really weak.

"Gee, the Spanish don't like me grabbing whatever I want from their ships....waaaahhhh, I'm not buying anything made by Spain anymore."

That ain't a pirate, that's wimp.


Garcia would never have approved soundboards being traded without GD control.
Get real.
He was a working man, paying for his setup, gear, crew, gas.
And he wasn't the only one busting his ass.

See ya'




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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 27, 2006 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

Nice try olo....pirates at sea NEVER gave anything back! NOT EVER!!!

The whole GD phenomenon was built on a relationship quite different than ANYTHING else! And apparantly you don't "get it"

Yes - we do want our free stuff - but the parasites that get all for nothing are very few.

The grate majority of DHs.............................(((REPAY))) the band's kindness by purchasing an obscene amount of GD products. Me, in the 10s of thousands and I'm not unusual!

If you're going to make comparisons, please.....no apples/oranges!

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Poster: Olo Date: Aug 28, 2006 3:43am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

Having followed the boys since 1969, I believe I got "it" and get it still...
Threatening a boycott because Ace and the other cards from the bottom of the deck (and this does include Lesh) want to have some control over the GD soundboard recordings is, at best, ungrateful.
When you bought GD merch that is the ultimate transaction, You gave cash, you got your cool shirt. It isn't a donation. It isn't a tithe.
Did anyone actually buy a Jerry tie because they believed he needed "support?" No, they bought the stuff to wear, listen to, eat.. whatever, because they dug the stuff.
This incredibly simplistic rationalization does not grant anyone the rights to free dibs on what is the GD's property.
This is the kind of base thinking that created many of the gate crashers.
When you rent a video, you do not pay the store owner's salary. He pays himself by managing and maintaining the whole operation. You paid your three bucks and you got to watch Donnie Darko. That's it.
You bought some Weir BBQ sauce? Guess what? You got what you paid for. End of transaction. You did not gain membership into the board of trustees of a charity.

Get real. Go complain to Jorma who has just banned taping. Or the New Allman Brothers who banned all electronic trading
Read up as you obviously weren't there. The GD busted tapers for a long time. Garcia didn't allow taping at his solo gigs.
Better still, keep dreaming.




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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 28, 2006 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

OLO,

It appears I've hit a nerve!I'm busy now but will respond in more detail later. Your downloaders = gatecrashers is pure crap and I won't even reply to BS like that!

For now...........seeing as how you have senior tenure as a DH (me 77), you surely understand that in th GD world everything is backwards (just like that fun day at school-only this was for real).

It was the longstanding goodwill created by the band's generosity that filled stadiums in the 90s - not the deteriorating product. Jer was barely able to function and the music had suffered badly. Who else in the music business could pull that off? There's a reason...it's called LOYALTY! Your examples apply to Elton, Stones, Zappa, and the rest of the "normal" music/business models where they sqeeze every nickel, but not the GD I'm afraid.
They began and continued to build an empire based on NOT doing it everyone else's way and it made them rich (in reverse)!

Also, your arrogance about what Garcia "would have done" is just plain ridiclous and disrespectful. Please have the courtesy to say: "I think he... OR... In my opinion he might have..... otherwise Nostra-olo-damus - please tell me who will win the super bowl next year! I can use the cash.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 28, 2006 1:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

"It was the longstanding goodwill created by the band's generosity that filled stadiums in the 90s - not the deteriorating product. Jer was barely able to function and the music had suffered badly. Who else in the music business could pull that off? There's a reason...it's called LOYALTY! "

nicely put - i'll second that (e)motion

by the way, i could use the cash too - so spread the word and give us the winner o talented one :)

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Poster: Olo Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

>It was the longstanding goodwill created by the band's generosity that filled stadiums in the 90s -<

Oh really.. it wasn't the HUGE hit Touch of Grey and the Mtv exposure which led to thousands of new attendees to discover the big psychedelic party in the lot with beer vendors and N2O??
When the GD exploded in 87 they brought in the newbies and the long lost freaks nostalgic for the Summer of Love.
That goodwill bit the Boys in the ass and they sent out letters of discouragement about the excessive entitlement behavior creating chaos and ruining the gigs.
If you really belive that the tapes filled the football stadiums, you're naive.
I do plead guilty of not throwing a "IMO" on what Jer would or wouldn't do..but I believe what I said.

Write Bear.

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 28, 2006 6:34pm
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Fair enough OlO!

You have a point about "Touch" but one hit wonders usually don't draw numbers like that! (Peter Frampton excluded).I believe most of the "new hippies" were brought in the old fashioned way......... DHs like myself and many others who passionately converted others into the fold with the fervor of Billy Graham!


Like you, I abhor the violence that found it's way into GD culture and your point is well taken on that topic. Even now at RD and Phil the majority are peaceful, but it seems the scene is a bit "edgier" now than it used to be. Not sure why. Maybe tweekers, ecxtasy..who knows (damn I feel old!)

Regarding WWJD (that's Jerry of course). It's moot really but I must respecfully disagree. I don't think he would EVER hoard the SBDs (yes, I know they own them - but who saw internet coming?)in one fell swoop like Bobby did. I believe he would have saved the choice boards for production and given many away. He wasn't the avg. celeb., stacking Rolls one on top of eachother! I believe he was grateful to us and would've found middle ground. Although the GD business model seems strange....I'll put it like this:

Create a product> Make a living but give a lot of product away for free> Customers appreciate the product AND the LACK OF GREED> Customers return the favor by becoming fanatical and buying up massive amounts of related products AND constantly bringing in new customers> The band gets wealthy!!!

Of course this wasn't pre-planned - just blind luck of some nice guys, nice guys that didn't finish last....they got rich!

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Poster: The Ziggy Date: Aug 31, 2006 10:48pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

First Show: 7/27/73.

haven't bought a commercial release since this was locked down. but then i traded for years before this existed and have more shows on Dat or CD than anyone could probably every want.

I bought the commercial releases (have every DP and Vault Release) out of loyalty. I don't have that loyalty anymore. So if I am going to purchase anything, it better be pristine and great.

As for Ratdog. Saw them once. That was enough. Saw Phil a few times, more enjoyable. But there's no Jerry and that's all that matters to me.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:00pm
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>>deteriorating product...They began and continued to build an empire based on NOT doing it everyone else's way and it made them rich (in reverse)! >>


"deteriorating product" doesn't really hit the mark. Even as the scene more routine for me, they kept coming in. I'm grateful for the individual band members, flawed normally, there was something else happening as Grateful Dead. I'm loyal to THAT, what it is -- beyond description as they say.

I don't think I was getting soaked when I bought a few rereleases to get the extras. Then or now, I didn't mind paying the teller off in gold knowing he cannot be bought or sold, in hopes the music played the band. That's not to say you couldn't trip like Jagger at a Stones concert, just that you could get rolled as easily.

Gate crashing or ruining the streaming golden egg won't bring the feeling back, nor will grudges when the surviving members are plenty generous.

Thanks for the discussion, it's served to clarify some things I left hanging. I'm still not sure why they toured so much when it was clear Jerry was falling apart.



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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 28, 2006 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

if i may butt in....the Oakland Raiders, of course! (provided they have a team this year)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 28, 2006 1:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

if the raiders win the superbowl, i'll eat my yard work sneakers :)

it will be the patriots, of course (not that i have any geographical bias - lol)

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Poster: Fishead Date: Aug 30, 2006 9:22am
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yeah with jeff george leading the way !!hahahahaha

GO E A G L E S !!!!!

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 28, 2006 5:18pm
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Cosmic C.

By all means brother, be heard, What?....... Raiders?......Sorry bro. I root for the ever-mediocre SD Chargers. Don't worry, neither of our teams are SB bound this year...........Although......I believe........Chargers beat Raiders TWICE last year! :)

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Poster: direwolf57 Date: Aug 26, 2006 9:12am
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PG - I think many agree with you at this point. The hisorical generosity of the band was in the end (the 90s) a masterful business move. Hell, while the shows were declining musically, they were filling stadiums! This phenom was built on GD/audience LOVE created by goodwill from the band (free music) and because of that you, me and countless others spent thousands of $$$ supporting them in various ways.

NOW....here's my prediction. If they (Rhino along with remaining members) pull the soundboard streams here or touch the auds.....It will push almost EVERONE else over the edge. Forty years of trust and support will circle the drain and EVERYONE WILL boycott then!

If they leave everything that is now on the net......I'll do what most others will do IMHO. Download some free BUT will purchase EVERYTHING GD Rhino puts out to support the band!!! If they get greedy then all bets are off. Most will forgive Bobby the first time but If there's a "next time" it will be a "High Time" before anyone buys anything GD!

Deadheads are a different breed. I hope the powers that be make the right decision because we all know that this is about much more than music to us. I for one hope the band gets filthy rich. Honestly they deserve it and they will..........unless they kill the golden goose by betraying what took them 40 years to build!!!

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Poster: Solo Head Date: Aug 26, 2006 9:54am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

S A I N T... S T E P H E N !

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 26, 2006 10:03am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

Right on! Right on! Right on!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 26, 2006 11:55am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott? Capitalism in work!!

Did he doubt or did he try? answers aplenty in the bye and bye,
Talk about your plenty, talk about your ills,
One man gathers what another man spills...

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 25, 2006 2:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott?

childishly....yes :) i had a free ticked to ratdog at the tweeter center in mansfield and still didn't go. i realize im an idiot for not going, but i still hear the "see ya" haven't bought any other cd's or anything lately either, so i suppose my boycott is more lazyness than anything else. lol

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Poster: lastcall Date: Aug 26, 2006 3:05pm
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I wonder if any of this "boycott" crap or any other whining would be going on if Garcia was still alive and supported the rest of the band in their business decisions.

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Poster: Purple Gel Date: Aug 26, 2006 4:54pm
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I think I would still feel the same way, perhaps even stronger. After all, he was the one who said that after it was played it belonged to us.

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Poster: lastcall Date: Aug 26, 2006 4:58pm
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Fine. I'm just curious what his definition of "it" would be today. A memory, an aud. tape, or sb's on the net. Can't help but wonder. Don't remember any taper section areas at the JGB shows I went to.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 26, 2006 5:54pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott?

Jerry was specifically responding to a question regarding his feelings about audience recorded tapes. If you require I can provide the exact question and Jerry's answer.

But Jer's feelings about many things didn't deter many Heads from doing what they wanted to do so really the point is moot.

Now. Let's all agree to jump this thread.

And who's got my Bickershaw show? I know you're out there!

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Poster: lastcall Date: Aug 26, 2006 6:25pm
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"But Jer's feelings about many things didn't deter many heads from doing what they wanted to do". True, but the ramifications of that behavior resulted in the banning of shows in alot of places. It's only "YOUR" music if you create it. It's not yours just because you hear or taped it.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 27, 2006 1:34pm
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Hey Last Call,

I was going to mention that very thing. In fact I thought that the ramifications of some Deadheads laissez-faire resultiing in banned venuses and vending etc. was implied but obviously not as cleear as I thought.*

I wanted to keep my missive short because I've only been contributing writing on this site for about a month now but have been drawn already into two "Bobby is an asshole" arguments and I'm tired of it. We all seem to have our positions clearly staked out and we all know where the other stands. I'm just trying to move on to other things.

Lastly, my parody of Werewolves was not a vote of support for current White House and the ideologues who inhabit it. Quite the contrary. But hell...I'm used to being misunderstood

(*The Dead were releasing notes telling us to behave as early as 1989.)

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 27, 2006 2:19pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott?

I meant band venues. We all know Venuses is a planet. Like Marses and Naptunes.

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Poster: lastcall Date: Aug 28, 2006 12:52pm
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Their trying to tell me Pluto isn't a planet. I've been to the edge of the universe and I tell you its real.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 27, 2006 2:42pm
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...and Tralfamadores

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 27, 2006 2:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott?

Man, I did a tequila binge on Tralfamadores once with this hot actress...seems like yesterday. But it hasn't happened yet.

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Aug 28, 2006 1:31am
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was her name Valerie Perrin?
oh that's right, you can't possibly know that yet

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 26, 2006 7:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

I agree with unclejohnnyd -- "tossing us under the bus" is simple melodrama. I see associating with Ann Coulter as far worse, except that perhaps residue of good vibes might break the seal on her Nazi heart.

I don't see why someone with "300gb of live dead from this site" could complain. What remains of GD is still generous, though several of the regulars seem to be totally clueless about the spiritual difference between the 'Party of God' and partisan politics, even when given lyrical reminders.

The Archive and other sites reawakened my appreciation for this music. Sure the market for GD music will start drying up quick enough as we age, but at least we as a group weren't the ones blocking solutions to the world's problems.

And since when do Deadheads make fun of mutilated old people -- aren't Arabs people? Cut down a man in cold blood... Might as well be me! Unfortunately Dylan's "Masters of War" is still as fresh as when it was written:

Like Judas of old
You lie and deceive
A world war can be won
You want me to believe



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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 27, 2006 8:08am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that boycott

Spaced, I'm not sure that it could be interpreted that i was complaining about my "300 gig+" of dead shows. I was merely responding to a question. So I didn't go to shows this year - my choice. So I haven't bought any GD merchandise since the sbd pull - well, i haven't bought anything else either except a couple of cd's for my kids and a couple of Kimock products. My boycott at this point is amost more self amusement than actual monetary harm.

And in the interest of the pirate theme - it got me thinking:

Yar-har, fiddleedee,
Being a pirate is alright to me,
Do what you want cause a pirate if free,
You are a pirate.

(Lazy Town song - see below - i just LOVE that song)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I0yI2MQf8Tk

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Poster: Ole Uncle John Date: Aug 28, 2006 6:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that grandstanding

I don't know what's funnier, that some folks still think that the boards being unavailable for DL here means they are hard to get, or those who attempt to make a name for themselves by speaking up for GDP and berating anyone unhappy with changes in availability as "greedy".

Although I was as saddened as others that our virtual 'friends' decided to make a bad buisness decision that forever altered community, I'm not about to let them or anyone else effect my enjoyment of the digital record. Sure McNally sounded like a rock 'n roll version of Bill O'Rielly, spinning like there is no tomorrow, but that is to their shame, not ours.

Delicious heaping helpings of GD candy is being distributed thru-out the World Wide Web for free and will be FOREVER. Grab a plate!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 28, 2006 7:43pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that grandstanding

McNally - O'Reilly comparison - hadn't thought of that one - nice job - (personally i think oreilly is hilarious between his occasionally insightful comments and pure inanity - almost makes me want to tune in for a laugh)

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 8:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that grandstanding

SAAAIIIIIINNNT STEEEEEEPHENNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 29, 2006 8:31am
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Of course, it's a scientific fact that the number of pirates has been rapidly decreasing in recent years.
http://www.venganza.org/

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 29, 2006 8:37am
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That is freakin hilarious!!! Great site :) nice find man

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 29, 2006 10:05am
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>>make a name for themselves by...berating..."greedy".

Although I was as saddened as others that our virtual 'friends' decided to make a bad buisness decision that forever altered community>>


Damn these pseudonyms, where's the glory. My tell-all autobiography will be called "I Am Spaced."

For me "forever altered community" was more like a first big trip, or great show, or Jerry passing on. Seems like the 'greedy' comes from whining about how horrible GD music availability is, when it's actually amazing.

BTW, some pirates go native, like Roanoke colonists "Gone To Croatan":
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirate_utopia
http://www.hermetic.com/bey/taz3.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ward


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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 29, 2006 10:09am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

"I see associating with Ann Coulter as far worse, except that perhaps residue of good vibes might break the seal on her Nazi heart."

So i see you had to throw that in...so i could throw in some crap like Al Gore's socialist/Nazi heart or Clinton's sexual predator heart, but hey, Al and Ann are deadheads I've heard, and this GD place is not about such political bashing. I enjoy Ann's writing's & commentary, and to say she has a heart of a Nazi is meanspirited and plain wrong, even if it's "right on!!" to some others.

So if i enjoy the good in people, and I don't judge her or Al's or Bill's heart, is that ok or simply my "ignorance" of the truth (as you see it). What would you think if someone walked up to one of these 3 and killed 'em? You may answer with something here, but would it be easy for you to see someone kill a "Nazi"?
None of them has declared war on me, or blew themselves & others up. You want to see real death Nazi's in action? Look toward the east and keep your head attached. We are a civilized nation at war with uncivilized, raised to hate-killers.
I'd much rather enjoy a Dead show with Al, Ann, Bill, (instead of comparing them to Nazi Germany & Hitler)
There is no comparison. If You call Ann a Nazi, you're calling me one also.

One way or another, this darkness has to give

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those typos

Ya see, I can't even write a good e-mail when we start talking politics. What a mess that e-mail is.

Can we talk about Alligator now?

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 29, 2006 2:05pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those typos

how 'bout them Alligators!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 29, 2006 6:59pm
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>> how 'bout them Alligators! >>

Gotta keep your animal self from destroying itself and the rest of your multimind along with it.

Like when Kesesy told a knot in wood to stay on its side and he would stay on his side. (Seems like he mighta read William Blake: "I can look at the knot in a piece of wood until it frightens me.")

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 8:45pm
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Soaced you always bring me back to Earth. Go figure.

Okay I'm starting a new post now because I have to.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 29, 2006 10:17pm
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Yes politics are lame, especially right wing fascist politcs. Here's a sampling of comments of a horse-faced schikel-grubin' hired gun. I'm willing to do GD lyric commentary if this is off topic.

movie clips at:
http://www.crooksandliars.com/category/ann-coulter/


"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity."

(talking to a disabled Vietnam vet) "People like you caused us to lose that war." -- MSNBC

Rep. John P. Murtha is "the reason soldiers invented fragging"...If Murtha "did get fragged, he'd finally deserve one of those Purple Hearts"

"We need somebody to put rat poisoning in Justice Stevens' creme brulee. That's just a joke, for you in the media."

"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times Building."

"Liberals love America like O.J. loved Nicole."

"There are a lot of bad republicans; there are no good democrats."

"We need to execute people like (John Walker Lindh) in order to physically intimidate liberals."

"Whether they are defending the Soviet Union or bleating for Saddam Hussein, liberals are always against America. They are either traitors or idiots."

"Liberals are stalwart defenders of civil liberties -- provided we're only talking about criminals."

"If John Kerry had a dollar for every time he bragged about serving in Vietnam -- oh wait, he does."

"Press passes can't be that hard to come by if the White House allows that old Arab Helen Thomas to sit within yards of the President."

"The swing voters -- I like to refer to them as the idiot voters because they don't have set philosophical principles. You're either a liberal or you're a conservative if you have an IQ above a toaster."







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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 30, 2006 6:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

boy, i sure hate her now, thanks for opening my mind to the error of my ways!
what i wonder, is what were her favorite GD shows out of the 100 or so she went to. I'll need to hate those shows too(and in contex). She should be arrested late at night, dragged out of her bed and then flogged in public.
that horse-faced schikel-grubin' hired gun. (but what does schikel mean?)
At first i thought you were bad mouthing Cindy Sheehan(except for the schikel)...now there's a babe with lots of quotes-lol. I think I'll look up my fav Cindy quotes.
Btw, spaced, I hear the babe is single and on a diet too-you lookin??

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 30, 2006 3:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

And the politicians throwing stones
While the kids they dance and shake their bones
Cause it's all too clear we're on our own
Singin' ashes ashes all fall down

She's probably posting on this site.

She's probably downloading shows but only shows from 1995

Jerry probably played Day Job encores at every show that she attended.

Why persist in this argument and not talk about Alligator? Do neither of you have a favourite Alligator? See thread above. I asked and all that happend is that someone told me what song Mountain Jam is based on and I already knew that.

Maybe Ann Coulter or Cindy Sheehan or Bill O'Reilly or Jon Stewart or Al Gore or Karl Rove know who has my Bickershaw Festival '72!!!! Maybe they're sitting on it. Maybe Ann's listening to it right now laughing maniacally saying "You'll never get it leftie pinko traitor!" It's a grand conspiracy!!! Ann! Ann! Quick! Favourite Alligator!
Al, stop saving the planet and get on the phone. I'm looking for Bickershaw '72.

I know it's out there.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 30, 2006 3:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

i recieved this in a top secret ann-agram pic and posted it, but thru great stealth and conspiracy, i found AC's fav alligator's secret caption.
LOL! a hundred shows, all 1995 (no wonder!) Actually i like Dayjob, especially when i get to goose step to it!

You say Bickershaw? I torrented DS >> Sing me back home from here >> http://www.shnflac.net/details.php?id=f9fe69336e6ac1d9fbc6f8ba989723a61ee6beb7
last week. You should jump on!

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 30, 2006 4:59pm
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>> boy, i sure hate her now, thanks for opening my mind to the error of my ways!>>

The real ugliness is the feigned and real incompetence, lies, theft, torture, and murder. The right wing is draining this country dry, while poisoning it with words. This country can be a shining city on the hill, but not when ruled by the corrupt who their feed their foul spirits from the 'chicken shack' that is America.

All this is excused by the media in the biggest con job in human history. The NY Times provides cover for corruption, though not nearly as blantantly as Fox. A case in point is the CIA-Contra cocaine connection. They led the charges against Gary Webb's stories in the San Jose Mercury were false, then published corroboration just a few years later, yet still laugh him off. They let Judith Miller and others publish the lies about an Iraq/OBL connection and WMDs. And they've provided cover for big business fleecing before the scape-lamb is fully drugged and finally ritually slaughtered. If you think the whole of the law is do whatever thou wilt, then you're nothing but a phony magician.

At least you can learn 'this space is getting hot' on a bad trip. You might say God is the one 'in it for the gold', and alchemically the scum is abandoned. The vault of mercy is limitless, but as they say, 'if the thunder don't ya get then the lightning WILL.'


>>>Why persist in this argument and not talk about Alligator?>>

8-21-68 was virtually good for me.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 30, 2006 5:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those outa grace

damn! yer good!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 31, 2006 6:33am
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Please don't take offence if I simply respond to the Alligator portion of your e-mail, Spaced. I've spent the better part of my life arguing and doing politics and I'd like to treat this site as an oasis. Although I know there is no escape.

By virtually good does that mean you saw this Alligator?

Thanks for the tip. I'll go into my stash and see if I already have that one.

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 30, 2006 4:55pm
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>>enjoy the alligator, Murtha!.jpg>>

I imagine you'll think only of Me when your snakes are marchin in!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 30, 2006 6:23pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

speaking of Ann, i just found this, though it could be bogus...
http://www.jambands.com/Features/content_2006_06_23.06.phtml

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 30, 2006 7:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those cyclops

a selection from Coulter ad nauseum:
Rep. John P. Murtha is "the reason soldiers invented fragging"


UNCLEAN ROT is another way to spell that name (ann-agram)

Mark 5:8
For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

What if someone wrote a pop song about Matthew 7:15, which warns of "false prophets, which appear to you in sheep's clothing but inwardly are ravening wolves."

Matthew 7:21-23
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22 MANY will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 30, 2006 7:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those cyclops

i am slowly getting the impression you are not a Coulter fan :)

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 30, 2006 8:22pm
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I think Coulter should make public repentence, and act more like Jesus.

And thanks for not taking ALL the "you"s personally. I too fall into the raving Rush-Coulter whirlpool at times. I guess it doesn't matter what they; silence is weapon too... but don't call me scarface (The Specials):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zWZzsxgH2gY

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 31, 2006 6:58am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those cyclops

Turning people in for arrest and public repentence was a big deal in Mao's China & the former Soviet Union but I'm sure you have list's on who and why. I'm sure I'm on someone's list to "repent". Nice.
The daily rag's are already good at such things these daze.
With newsrooms filled with leftist tools indoctrinated by their Columbia U's Prof's. Thank God there is some balance with talk radio (for those who listen).
If you're from the Bay Area there's good exposure of the heart of the left on KGO's nightime Ray Taliafero show. I listen to that as well as the right side. He is a master of sneer! -lol. But like Savage, he speaks his mind & heart (like it or not) and is no phony(but very partison). Not like our doubletalking politicians on all sides of the fence.
Now concerning Jesus...a Christian is not supposed to "act"
like Jesus, they are supposed to be "in" Christ-actually, Christ living in their hearts. Uhhhhh..."what would Jeeeeesus do?" duhhhhhhhh! Methinks at least 90% of Christian's are phony and i don't perport to be one. I'm a Frisbitarion and Jerry is God-lol

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Poster: Spaced Date: Aug 31, 2006 3:10pm
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>>> Turning people in for arrest and public repentence was a big deal in Mao's China & the former Soviet Union but I'm sure you have list's>>>

I don't have my list out. It would be good for Coulter's soul if she would come clean instead of selling it for Babylon.


>>With newsrooms filled with leftist tools indoctrinated by their Columbia U's Prof's. >>

The media is totally corporate controlled (5 companies) and the message is almost all right wing talking points mixed with Monica, OJ, JeanBenet, Brad-gelina/Ben-iffer and other sideshows. There is no balance, as Fox amply shows.

These shows are great:
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/cool/view/
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/persuaders/


>>>...a Christian is not supposed to "act" like Jesus>>

Jesus IS the model of Christian behavior, not the ones who say lord, lord. Goes for me too.

You don't have to study theology or listen to ministers to get this!



>> Please don't take offence if I simply respond to the Alligator portion>>

sydthecat, yes you cannot argue with facts. And the range of social options is larger than Coke vs. Pepsi, as GD proved. The 8/21/68 Alligator was only heard in virtual reality on this site.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 31, 2006 3:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those cyclops-warning, political!

who said this?

To disagree, one doesn't have to be disagreeable-

Remember that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take away everything you have-

I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice! And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.

With less hatred and demonizing of individuals, gems of knowledge can be gleened from people, for once in a while you get shown the light in the strangest of places if you look at it right.
(but-but i see monsters...everywhere!!!) Peace :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 31, 2006 6:59pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those cyclops

"Jesus IS the model of Christian behavior, not the ones who say lord, lord. Goes for me too.

You don't have to study theology or listen to ministers to get this! "

Gotta say Spaced - that is the most intelligent and (should be) obvious comment posted during this whole "debate." I am a Christian but not church going. If only more people would see the truth in your comment (i know cosmic would feel the same way though like me, not church going).

Christianity and the teachings of the Dali Lama just make so much sense, it is amazing that people just can't get "it." I flap my internet mouth plenty of times on this site and others, but you are dead on friend. Jesus is love and love is peace!!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 31, 2006 6:41am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

Okay you may have just proven that God has a snese of humour. By the way the other link you sent didn't open.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 30, 2006 5:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

just keep a sense of humour!

Teeth big and pointy and his eyes were buggin' out,
Contracted the union, for the papers to route..
Screamin' and yellin', he was pickin' his chops,
He never runs he just stumbles and hops.
Just out of prison on ten dollars bail,
Mumblin' bitches and waggin' his tail.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 31, 2006 8:06am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

Cosmic!! Thank you so much! I'll be in Bickershaw heaven! I can't download this myself on my flat iron toaster of a computer but I have a friend who can. I may have to wait a few months but what the hell. All good things in all good time!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Apr 15, 2007 10:11am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout those hypos

you should get a free torrent didleybob here > http://www.utorrent.com/
Register with www.shnflac.net and leech that puppy! There are 4 seeders there rite now.
I only got the DS > Sing me back home part (D3 i think) I'd be happy to send it to you...

This post was modified by cosmicharlie on 2007-04-15 17:11:04

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Aug 29, 2006 11:31am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

Arabian wind, The needle's eye is thin, The ships of state sail on mirage, And drown in sand, Out in no-man's land where Allah does command.

What good is spilling blood? It will not grow a thing;
Taste eternity the swords sing: Blues of Allah In 'sh'Allah.

They lie where they fall, There's nothing more to say,
The desert stars are bright tonight lets meet as friends,
The Flower of Islam, The Fruit of Abraham.

The thousand stories have come round to one again,
Arabian night, Our Gods pursue their fight,
What fatal flowers of darkness spring from seeds of light.

Bird of paradise fly in white sky, Blues for Allah In 'sh'Allah, Let's see with our heart, These things our eyes have seen, And know the truth must still lie somewhere in between.

Under eternity, under eternity, under eternity blue,
Bird of paradise fly in white sky, Blues for Allah In 'sh'Allah.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 29, 2006 12:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

here - here, Blues for Allah! Very wise indeed.

The peaceful need to take back that which has been subverted in "Allah's" name.
Then the children of all faiths will play together and love one another. It's tough when deathhate is taught in preschool's and on, in so many Muslim countries.

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 12:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

This just boils my blood but what of that? What I don't like about Coulter is that she spreads bad history particularly her writings on Joe mcCarth which are just appalling. And you don't have to be a George Clooney loving socialist pinko commie weirdo or whatever you want to call me. There are plenty of conservatives who find her irresponsible. I remember a time when right wingers were represented by thinkers like William F. Buckley. I disgreed with them heartily but respected that they could think and argue convicingly. People like Coulter and O'Reilly are clowns by comparison. These days on both sides it's whoever shouts the loudest wins and damn the truth!

The level of debate in America is in the toilet.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 29, 2006 12:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

Thank you Syd - The truth is somewhere in the middle. Remember the middle, the fulcrum, the balancing point.

Unfortunately, being a centrist does not sell ads or achieve TV ratings. So, the middle is lost.

Just picture the left and the right lobbing scuds at each other, while the masses of real people duck and cover in the middle.

The media insists that we must take sides in this debate. I insist that we do not. Get the facts and form an opinion. However, ultimately YOUR opinion, MY opinion or THEIRS(TV's Talking Heads) will have little effect on the outcome. Right now, understanding the debate is more important than joining it.

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 29, 2006 1:36pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

Joe McCarthy was meanspirited in his heavy handed approach to a real problem. He had good council in Robert Kennedy though. IMO, the Venona project proved many of his assumptions correct.

Ann's free to write & say what she pleases, as is Moorer, Carvel and other attack dogs on the left.
I've read alot of stuff with an open mind-nobody puts me in a box where I'll refuse to even study another viewpoint, somehow "KNOWING" that it's all hookey.
Even Mein kampf gives insight on Hitler and how his ideals are alive in the mideast mindset.

Those "clowns"(that term, of course, makes their opinions irrelevant) O'Reilly and Ann Coulter, have many disagreements -if you dare to listen. The "middle" is very hard to find...just gotta poke around!

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

Sorry Cosmic you'll never get me to cut McCarthy an inch of slack. Too many people's lives were destroyed in a process that seems to be rearing its head today. ie: if you're against the war you're not a true patriot etc. That's what I mean about debate. Of course Coulter can write what she wants but what if she wrote stuff like Robert Fisk? Would she then be seen as un-American? A traitor? I think the Bill O. would be lobbing everything he could her way. Phrases like "card-carrying memeber of the ACLU" is the kind of code that makes me wretch especially when uttered in what is supposedly the ladn of liberty which seems more and more about simply the freedom to shop.

But Cosmic, you and I could probably have a terrific debate without being "attack dogs". That's what I'd like to see. Not only are these people misinformants (on both sides) but
they're boring to listen to and read. It's tiresome to me and that's why I tend to shy away from these types on both sides now. That's why I'd rather talk about the Dead with Ann Coulter than anything else as well. (I know Gore and his wife were both into the Dead but hadn't heard this about her).

I do think that there is a lot of corruption on the Hill and in the White House and that slowly, surely it's all hitting the fan. This darkness got to give.

Anyway, I think you're just hot for Ann.

peas and looooove.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 29, 2006 3:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

"Not only are these people misinformants (on both sides) but
they're boring to listen to and read."

are you kiddin me man, Coulter is one of the most "entertaining" pundits alive today whether you like her or hate her. saying she is boring means you are just not listening.

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Poster: high flow Date: Aug 29, 2006 4:11pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

Hey Now - Quite frankly, if the TV heads were as polite in their debates as the dead heads have been in this forum, their shows might be worth something to society. It's nice to read a debate without hyperbole and one in which neither party really cares who "wins". A debate in which the object is to share opinions and experience another person's POV, not to verbally pound the opposition in to oblivion.

Thanks guys...



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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 7:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

You put entertaining in quotes I noticed. I think you guys just think she's hot. ;)

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Poster: N.Y. JACK Date: Aug 29, 2006 7:25pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

ann is smoking hot and one smart lady

i like what she has to say. she is right in alot of ways.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Aug 29, 2006 8:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

i'd do her :)

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Poster: sydthecat Date: Aug 29, 2006 8:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

I frickin' knew it! These cards are marked!!

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Poster: cosmicharlie Date: Aug 30, 2006 6:22am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

she's hot! but I perfer Michelle Malkin (like i have choices-lol)

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Poster: lastcall Date: Aug 26, 2006 7:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: how bout that Four: Fifty-One?

RIGHT FUCKIN' ON!